Regional Operations Centre (ROC) Managers' Weekly Meeting - Project Week 11 11.00 Contents -------------- The agenda is at the following address: http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a042290 The minutes will be documented in the order in the agenda page. 11.01 Time of meeting 11.02 Attendance 11.03 Quarterly report (Ian Bird) 11.04 Round the regions (Most of us) 11.05 Time sheets (Alistair Mills) 11.06 Execution plan (Alistair Mills) 11.07 AAM (Cristina Vistoli) 11.08 AOB (Any of us) 11.09 Operations of the CIC (Ian Bird) 11.10 Mailing lists (Alistair Mills) 11.11 Integration of RCs into VO (Rolf Rumler) 11.12 Actions 11:13 Conclusion The actual order of the items was the following: Quarterly report (Ian Bird) Operations of the CIC (Ian Bird) Integration of RCs into VO (Rolf Rumler) Execution plan (Alistair Mills) AAM (Cristina Vistoli) Mailing lists (Alistair Mills) Time sheets (Alistair Mills) Round the regions (Most of us) AOB (Any of us) 11.01 Time of meeting --------------------- The meeting was scheduled at start at 10:00. Unfortunately there were difficulties with noise from building works at CERN, and the meeting did not get under way until around 10:30. 10:30 CET 15 June 2004 11.02 Attendance ---------------- Due to a meeting in Karlsruhe about support for grids, and a meeting at CERN of the Grid Deployment Board, attendance was lower than usual. 01 CERN Alistair Mills (CERN - secretary), Ian Bird, Nick Thackray 02 Central - 03 France Rolf Rumler (IN2P3), Pierre Girard (IN2P3) 04 Germany - 05 Italy Cristina Vistoli (INFN - chairperson) 06 UK Dave Kant (RAL), Jeremy Coles (RAL), John Gordon (RAL) 07 Northern Jules Wolfrat (SARA) 08 Southeast Ognjen Prnjat (GRNET), Kostas Koumantaros (GRNET) 09 Southwest - 10 Russia - Apologies 03 France Fabio Hernandez (IN2P3) 04 Germany Holger Marten (FZK) and Peer Hasselmeyer (FZK) 11 Southwest Andreu Pacheco Pages (PIC) 11.03 Quarterly report ------------------------ There is a template available for the quarterly report at: https://edms.cern.ch/document/454542 The quarterly report for the activity is required by 8 July 2004. There is a template for this available from the JRA2 web site. It was agreed to keep the completion of this as light-weight as possible. It was agreed that Alistair and Cristina would look into this, and report back to the next meeting. [A copy of this document, and a summary of the section headings has been attached to the agenda page for the next meeting - Ed] 11.04 Round the regions ------------------------- France Rolf reported that they had had a meeting of the RCs in France and discovered that they are more RCs (from NA4) contributing, than are recognized by SA1. Rolf reported that Lyone was switching from dedicated CE to standard CE. This should not have an impact on users but will make things simpler to maintain in the future. Italy Cristina reported that Italy was providing support for Atlas Data Challenge and starting to support LHC-B. Cristina reported having a meeting of the RCs' managers from Italy to discuss operational matters for the next few months. Cristina reported concerns about the definition of the grid services available from EGEE. Northern Jules (SARA) reported that they had had a very successful tutorial for users of the grid. It was attended by some 40 people of whom around 25 followed the hands on sessions. UK Dave reported that operationally the situation had not changed since last week. He reported working on the accounting system and that a release in June of RGMA was likely. He was currently conducting tests using the CERN internal testing system. Germany No new report from Germany. See previous meeting. South West No report available. CERN No new report. See previous meeting. South East Ognjen reported that they had no new news, but that they were busy as usual. Central No report available. Russia No report available. 11.05 Time sheets ------------------- Alistair referred to a note which he attached to the agenda page for the meeting. He said that the trial with SA1 at CERN was making progress, and that useful information was being collected to ensure that when a permanent way of collecting this information is instituted, it will fit well with the present arrangements. He thought that it would be October before there would be a way to collect this information in a less cumbersome way than the present one. He thanked others for agreeing the WBS and offered assistance if there were ongoing problems, questions etc with the timesheet arrangements. 11.06 Execution plan ---------------------- Alistair referred to a note which he attached to the agenda page for the meeting. He thanked Italy, UK, CERN, Poland, Germany for their plans. He asked for the following ROCs to provide a draft plan as soon possible: France, Northern, Russia, South East, South West. 11.07 AAM ----------- The agenda for this meeting is at the following location: http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a042415 [The draft presentation for the SA1 presentation at the meeting is at the following address: http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a042290 - Ed]. 11.08 AOB ----------- Ognjen raised the issue of certification and pre-production testbeds. It was agreed that Ongjen would send an e-mail to Ian about this, and that we would put it on the agenda for a future meeting. 11.09 Operations of the CIC ----------------------------- Ian discussed the operations of the CIC and said that he wanted to keep the number of people involved in the CIC activity small and focussed. There was no intention to keep it obscured, but he thought that it would work better if there were fewer people involved in meetings about the CIC, than the number involved in the more general matter of the ROCs. Ian expects the participation of the following persons: Nick Thackray, Dave Kant, Rolf Rumler, Luciano Gaido, Markus Schultz, Ian Bird and Alistair Mills. Nick will provide the administrative support for the CIC group as Alistair provides it for the ROC group. The first meeting of this group will take place on 22 June 2004 at 14:00 and last for one hour. It will be a telephone conference involving the CERN telephone conference system. Details will be made available later. [An agenda page has been created for this meeting at the following URL: http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a04273 - Ed] The mailing list project-eu-egee-cic-managers@cern.ch will be used for discussions - see the section of this minute about mailing lists (11.10). 11.10 Mailing lists --------------------- Alistair referred to a note he had put on the agenda page about the mailing lists: The following mailing exist: project-egee-roc-managers@cern.ch aka roc list project-eu-egee-cic-managers@cern.ch aka cic list project-eu-egee-sa1@cern.ch aka sa1 list It was agreed to keep the roc list operating as at present, but to add Nick Thackray to the owners list. It was agreed to use the cic mailing list for the cic sub group - see 11.09. It was agreed to refocus the sa1 mailing list, making it less open and with an archive. It was also agreed to remove the names of individuals from this list, and to use it as a list of lists. It was agreed to create a new mailing list for matters concerning SA1 and JRA1. This would have been a useful facility to have for the recent work involving JRA1 and the discussion of the reference platforms. There was discussion of the merits of having news groups and the like, and it was agreed that we should revisit this in August. 11.11 Integration of RCs into VO ---------------------------------- Rolf raised the matter of the absence of a well defined procedure for adding a VO. It was agreed that when establishing a VO, the ROC involved should create a web page on their local site, and that they should record the status of the VO. Rolf agreed to do this for the BioMed VO which is being established at IN2P3. The case of a local VO, local to the region of a ROC was discussed. It was agreed that limited scope VOs are handled the the ROC itself, and there is no requirement to involve either the CIC or the OMC. 11.12 Actions ------------- NB The number of the action items is not related to the sections of this minute. 11.01 Add Krzysztof Nawrocki in Poland to the roc mailing list Alistair 11.02 Publish minutes for the meeting to the agenda page Alistair 11.03 Add items to the agenda page for next week Alistair 11.04 Review ROC plans received to date and return to origin with comments Alistair 11.04 Provide a version of the ROC execution plan (see 11.06) France, Sweden, Russia, Greece, Spain 11.05 Provide contact telephone numbers if appropriate All 11.06 Provide a spreadsheet page with list of project members (see 11.05) All 11.07 Look into the requirements for the quarterly report and report back Alistair and Cristina 11.08 Put quarterly report on the agenda for the next meeting Alistair 11.09 Put a regular item on the agenda for this meeting to discuss CIC activity Alistair 11.10 Create agenda page for meeting of CIC sub group Alistair 11.11 Meeting of CIC sub-group at 14:00 on 22/06 CIC group members 11.12 Provide a draft plan as soon possible France, Northern, Russia, South East, South West. 11.13 Make changes to the mailing lists as agreed at item 11.10 Alistair 11.14 Create web page for the BioMed VO and record the status of the VO Rolf 11.15 Send e-mail to Ian Bird about certification and test-beds Ognjen [11.99 Update these minutes with details in 11.08 x 2, 11.11 Alistair] 11.13 Conclusion ---------------- The meeting concluded at 11:40 CET. The next meeting will be at 10:00 on Tuesday 22 June. The agenda is at the following location. http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a042291